Ben Mitchell’s WCG Experience on Aussie Current Affair

Hat tip to Gavin Rumney. Former WCG member, Aussie soap star of the hit series Neighbours, author and blogger, Ben Mitchell had his life story in the historic Worldwide Church of God on the Australian edition of A Current Affair. Gavin was hoping for many to see this clip as possible. Never fear, if you have the internet and a computer you can see his story told in less than 5 minutes at this site here. Of course, with the comments section on the site there are some people that do not give up with their childish bullying mantra of “Take responsibility and get over it!” Ahh, excuse me Ben Mitchell found life after WCG and more abundantly, didn’t he? He became a soap star, didn’t he? I call that success! What I like about Aussies is they don’t mince words and the narration in the clip asserted that the historic WCG was a “wicked doomsday cult”.  There was evil and it is being exposed and the bullies who fanatically whitewash history are failing all the time. Truth can only be buried and hidden for so long.

Reverend Al Mohler, This is NOT the way to do business

 Southern Baptist Conference President Albert Mohler has always been controversial. I don’t mind when one is controversial for the sake of truth but I do mind very much when one is controversial for the sake of controversy. Some people think Revrend Mohler is the former, not the latter but I disagree. Arbitrarily deciding that young earth creationism should be a test of faith and questioning those of faith who believe in either Theistic Evolution or Progressive Creationism, I take issue. It is well-known that I do strongly question whether Young Earth Creationism is true science but it is simply not an essential of the historic Christian faith, in other words a non-salvation issue. Period.  Back in the 300’s AD both Jewish and Christian theologians in different areas of the world, mind you, came to the same conclusion that in the first few chapters the book of Genesis was to be taken metaphorically, not literally as Reverend Mohler would like to assert. Frankly, Reverend Mohler is playing theocratic politics and there are some to make certain that his agenda does not go far. Thankfully, blogger and studied theologian Peter Enns has something to say in reaction to Mohler’s problematic assertions in his self-titled blog.

By the way, here’s the entire clip from Michael Coren’s old show on CTS back circa 2007 where the amazing and brilliant McGill University Professor Jason R. Wiles (who grew up Christian fundamentalist but had a journey) who takes on the sincere (but sincerely wrong) Laurence Tisdall, a true dyed-in-the-wool young earth creationist. Enjoy!

 

Where Are They Now???

I have said before and I will say it again many, many times with great joy! There is life after the Worldwide Church of God (and it’s splinters) and a life more abundantly. Two ministers who formerly served in that association are still ministers, not in splinters (though one did form a ministry that broke off from an WCG congregation but they are in no way associated with Armstrongism) but have their own ministries preaching the gospel. I have personally had the opportunity to meet both of these men during my life and times in the historic Worldwide Church of God. One of them was Mr.Earl H. Williams whom I met in at S.E.P. church camp back in the summer of 1987 in Orr, Minnesota and the second was Mr.Kim Wenzel who pastored the Hamilton/St.Catherines, Ontaro congregations back in the early to mid 1990’s.  Mr. Williams is credited (or discredited depending on your point of view) for contribution to the massive upheaval in the Worldwide Church of God in the early to mid ’90’s by preaching a “grace-oriented”, so-called “New Covenant” message to his then-congregation in the Atlanta, Georgia. I remembered a friend at that time telling me Mr. Williams became “very liberal” in his preaching and his theology saying that the “Q’uran has equal weight with the Bible!”  Shame on me for believing this bunk without ever critically examining it despite my friend’s “high academic calibre”—that’s besides the point! To my knowledge Mr.Williams trying to illustrate that you can find tombs and the bodies of certain founders of various religions but you cannot find the body of the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, for those of us who believe was ressurected and acended to heaven to this day. Amazing how in the historic WCG information was easily distorted to discredit anybody. This was the least of Earl Williams troubles. In summary, church controversy and lack of real support for from the upper eschelon had forced him to break away with the WCG and form his own ministry, Christ Church of Grace. My friend who suggested that Earl Williams had a “very liberal” (or radical) theological worldview, simply did not (probably still does not) know what he’s talking about. Earl Williams is theologically conservative in his worldview. He is a firm supporter of the essentials of historic Christian faith. On his website he has link to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church—very conservative. He’s positively, definately not a Reverend Wright type (Obama’s former radical leftist “pastor”). My lesson learned (I hope) is that in dealing with somebody who is entangled in Armstrongism, their understanding of what a liberal or liberalism(religiously speaking, of course)  is very narrow in their scope and any mild dissent from their point of view is considered liberal. Where I and Mr. Williams disagree (and perhaps very strongly) is that I am more supportive of  E.P. Sanders’ view on Apostle Paul and Judaism in the 1st century (New Perspective on Paul) and Earl Williams in all likelihood is totally opposite. We debate, but we don’t divide. When I went to S.E.P. in ’87, Earl Williams was a great speaker in Christian living class and with his sermon at S.E.P. Sabbath services. He still his a great speaker and orator (perhaps a lot better than Obama–heh,heh,heh!!!) and you can listen to his current sermons with Christ Church of Grace at your leisure, here.

I have met Kim Wenzel many times at Feast of Tabernacles (in Niagara Falls), various combined church activities and seen him at Queensway Cathedral at Etobicoke Lakeshore back in ’97 when Dr.Charles Stanley was in town. I remember his funny laugh and yes, I do remember very well his unabashed directness but openness as well. I must give him credit that he was one of the ministers that you felt at ease, who was very approachable and was apparently very kind (my observation/experience). One year (1996 to be exact) at Feast of Tabernacles seminar in London, Ontario; told about his need for a leave of absence from pastoring because of family, study, congregational concerns. He too, had tensions with the upper echelons (maybe  a lot less dramatic than Mr. Williams) which led him to leave the Worldwide Church of God himself. He now has a healing ministry which deals with pastors and other congregational leaders who are dealing with burnout. It is called Smoldering Wick Ministries and here is an excerpt from their About page:

Smoldering Wick Ministries was founded by Kim and Kathy Wenzel, and this is their story.

Kim and Kathy served in pastoral ministry for 30 years. From 1980 to 2000, they served as senior church pastors in Canada. Their personal journey to burnout began with the death of Kim’s father. The day before performing his father’s funeral, Kim was given a sealed letter written by his father, informing Kim for the first time that his father was not Kim’s real father!

Upon returning to Ontario to resume pastoring two congregations, denominational upheavals began. As the denomination started falling apart worldwide over doctrinal issues, Kim and Kathy began walking their two legalistic congregations out of religion and into salvation by grace through faith. The next few years were filled with daily turmoil, and became a living hell as brethren struggled in their minds with the difference between legalism and grace. Not everyone could accept the unconditional love of God through Jesus Christ and division resulted.

The end came after a prayer journey to Nepal with Pastor Ted Haggard of New Life Church in Colorado Springs. Upon returning to Canada, Kim and Kathy were fired by denominational leaders for being too involved with other groups outside of the denomination and for being too progressive for the legalistic denomination. In many ways it was a great relief.

In 2000, Kim and Kathy and their four daughters moved to Colorado Springs to become a part of New Life Church. Kim led a rock climbing small group, and Kathy loved teaching music at High Country Home School Association while teaching and caring for their four daughters.

The launch of Smoldering Wick Ministries marked a new direction for Kim and Kathy, helping the thousands of burned-out and wounded ministry leaders. For two years the ministry was based in Colorado Springs. Kim and Kathy searched for afforable land to establish a retreat center. The door opened in Northeastern Oklahoma in November of 2003, where God provided 30 beautiful acres on the Spring River. Now the hurting and wounded can come and stay at Elijah’s Hide Away Retreat for rest and to receive counsel, teaching, and love. Kim also travels around North America teaching Tree of Life living and ministry in an effort to help slow the burnout rate among both lay members and leaders.

With approximately 1,000 ministry leaders leaving their posts each month in North America the need to help these wounded servants is great indeed. Having personal experience in spiritual bankruptcy, disgust with the church, and anger and disappointment with God, Kim and Kathy truly relate to these hurting leaders, and help them on the journey to complete healing and renewed service. Their hearts are filled with love and understanding for those who are often forgotten by the church and left on the roadside to fend for themselves. The Father heart of God is tender toward those who have suffered trauma as a result of misjudgment and misunderstanding in the Body of Christ no matter what the cause or sin.

Last but not least is Tom Mansanarez. You might ask, “Who is he?” For those who subscribed to the historic Worldwide Church of God’s magazine for pre-teens and teens called Youth (add in the year), we (and that includes me) remember. He was the young man who loved to draw and had the opportunity to draw the founder of the WCG on the premiere edition back in January ’81. Sometime ago, I was searching for his name on internet and found this site. Not too sure about what happened to his affiliation with the Worldwide Church of God in the years later but I can assume he’s doing his own thing (and I mean that in a positive sense). The historic WCG in general showed very low favour towards the arts (and some will bullheadedly argue that it wasn’t the case. Please read the late Jesse Ancona’s take here and consider the possibility it was the case. Next.) and I salute Tom’s ability to do what he loved being stopped by nobody. 2011, it rings ever more true to him and I salute him.

Intelligent Quote of The Day

There’s a difference between what is Descriptive in the Bible and what is Prescriptive. Many things in the Bible aren’t there to instruct or illustate how things are to be done. It’s just recording how it was done then. A lot of errant, shame based theology goes away when we learn that.

—Free Believer and blogger, Bart Breen explaining that the Bible is not merely a legislated code and shows that fundagelicals get it all wrong following that kind of premise.

Needed: Some American Common Sense!

My fellow blogger Carson T.Clark from Musings of A HardLine Moderate deserves an award for some American Common Sense! In a conversation on Facebook a while ago, he makes an astute observation on the state of the nation and everybody regardless of partisan label or stripe needs to held accountable for the stagnation of the beloved country of the United States. He states:

“There was a time when I would’ve loved to be president someday. Seriously, that was a dream. Now? You couldn’t pay me enough money. Not only am I too low energy, introverted, middle-class, and contemplative for such a position, but I’d immediately piss off everyone:

– Progressives by criticizing their fiscal irresponsibility and naive worldview.
– Conservatives by criticizing their self-centered lack of compassion and militant worldview.
– Moderates by calling them out on their general disillusionment, apathy, and lack of principle.
– Politicians by bucking party allegiances.
– Voters by criticizing their rampant idiocy.
– The media by berating the decline of journalistic standards and constant bifurcation of issues.
– etc.

No, my role is to be prophetic voice (forthtelling, not foretelling) that refuses to be co-opted by anyone. Besides, my love nowadays is for the Church, not the state.”

Carson, I wish you would change your mind about running for public office in the near future. We need people who value the Judeo-Christian heritage of which the U.S. was founded but they don’t need another Michelle Bachmann “theocon”. We need those who are open minded the to the more scientific origins of the earth as opposed to religious reactions (intelligent design, young earth creationism) to those facts.  We need those who are concerned by about the environment and don’t view it as “treehugging” all the time. We need those who are not obsessed with legislating morality but living a good moral life and setting the standard  for others. What I’m saying Carson is that America needs more American Common Sense!

Scientist assures life goes on after 2012

Tired of the gloom and doomers and their end-time scenerios, especially dealing with the year 2012 (on December 21st especially)? Here is a no-nonsense, no BS astrophysicist Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson who is a “passionate agnostic” with a great sense of humour to calm your fears and brings rational scientific proof against the nonsense of silly superstition for a change. Enjoy!

Intelligent Quote of The Day

“There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism.” – Former U.S. Republican Senator Barry M. Goldwater(1909-1998) on his two cents on “theocons” and how destructive a philosophy it is for  the United States (and other western democracies).

Intelligent Quote of The Day

(L)ove is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.

—The late Honourable Jack Layton (1950-2011), Canadian Leader of Her Majesty’s Oppositon and The New Democratic Party in his final letter to Canadians as he faced his battle with cancer which ended in the way least expected from all of us.

Intelligent Quote of The Day

 The ironic thing about evangelical appeals to “culture” is that evangelicals are usually the ones who say that moral values are absolute, not relative, yet, one sees something objectionable in the Bible, and they chalk that up to “culture”.

—Blogger James Pate, discussing an article about the rise of fundagelical churches practicing disfellowshipping, pointing out again contradictions in American Evangelical Christian thinking and logic.

IN MEMORIAM

  JOHN STOTT

1921-2011

Hat tip to blogger James Pate on Facebook for referring the online version of Christianity Today which has his obituary. John Stott was an British Anglican scholar who  considered himself an Evangelical.  He also believed in conditional immortality and annhilationism. For those coming out of the historic Worldwide Church of God and embracing the essentials of  historic faith this was a good thing because they could not accept the concept of eternal conscious punishment from the Western view of Christianity (Roman Catholicism and Protestantism). North American evangelicals on the other hand made sure to give John Stott a real hard time on this matter. He also proposed a wider hope view of Christianity (which I firmly hold) as well. I have quoted this before and I will quote what he said again,“I have never able to conjure up (as some great Evangelical missionaries have) the appalling vision of the millions who are not only perishing but will inevitably perish. On the other hand…I am not and cannot be a universalist. Between these extremes I cherish and hope that the majority of the human race will be saved. And I have solid biblical basis for this belief.” Amen to that! It is my wish that since he has departed from his aging body at 90 yesterday afternoon and as his spirit is now in the presence of God that John Stott is also experiencing a pleasurable surprise and discovery that others that he did not expect or was wondering with great apphrension that they wouldn’t join him in eternal fellowship are finally there with him and the Godhead for eternity. Rest in peace sir until you are finally revised and glorified by The Author, Jesus Christ!

Wikipedia also has a post on John Stott which may be of interest of getting to know his life and his works.