Something The XCGs Need to Hear!

I want to thank Teresa Beam for originally uploading this video earlier this year. This message is from a retired Eastern Orthodox priest who worships with the Seventh Day Adventists on the Sabbath. His message is startling and profound. The Armstrongist Church of God splinters are by no means exempt from this message.  It is time for some to open their eyes and open their mind and start thinking outside the box.

Sabbath or Sunday—WHICH???

This factoid was prepared by poster “KoeyKoala” in 2006 on Mark Tabladillo’s Jesus Loves Fellowship message board based on a discussion of what I Corinthians 16:2 really meant:

We see examples in the NT of both Saturday and Sunday observance.  What we don’t see is a command for either day.  Even the Catholic Encyclopedia mentions “The express teaching of Christ and St. Paul prevented the early Christians from falling into the excesses of Jewish Sabbatarianism in the observance of the Sunday…”

sunset“The obligation of rest from work on Sunday remained somewhat indefinite for several centuries.”  It was St. Caesarius at the beginning of the 6th century, who insisted upon observing Sunday like the Saturday Sabbath.  However, “The Council held at Orleans in 538 reprobated this tendency as Jewish and non-Christian.”

Sunday as a Sabbath has had a checkered history and the simplistic accusation from Saturday Sabbatarians is not entirely correct.  We can thank the Puritans for the strictness of Sunday Sabbatarianism among Protestants.

Wise words from Janey

First I want to welcome my fellow poster from Jesus Love Fellowship, Janey to my new blogsite here. She responded to The Intelligent Quote of The Day by FYI Again on my previous blogsite (yeah, that one! Check it out anyway at here).  I wanted to bring her response right over here at Here’s her two cents on the issue.

 Three of my favorite intelligent men…all in one place.

I personally do not care whether any of you keep any day at all (and based on how you pick and choose the rules for yourselves, you might think me a sinner for such a position).

The suggestion that “The Sabbath is the one great indigetible lump — the thing that most people simply cannot or will not accept” was an Armstrong tease, FYI. It is the bait on the hook of legalism.

The great indigestible lump is Jesus…”Take, eat, “

You say, “The main proponents of ‘the 10 Commandments are done away’ concept are either former Sabbatarians or individuals and/or denominations who for one reason or another are strongly opposed to the idea of a 7th day Sabbath.”

That would be everybody but sabbatarians, FYI.

And if I do say so myself (as a student of the Armstrong faith) that your rendering is not unlike script right out of the Armstrong play book.


I’d ask for your research and numbers (I hear you’ve done your own).

The fact is that there aren’t two groups of “proponents,” but one…those who believe they are saved by grace through faith, not by works of the Law.

..and #1 (former sabbatarians) have learned from their own experiences subjecting themselves to the ministry of death what your group #2 knew all along.

And what is that something?

The teachings of the apostle Paul, who called the 10 commandments (written on the stones by the finger of God) the ministry of death. It is the ministry of condemnation, which is obsolete.

By all means, if works of the Law save you, then you must keep them all — not just the one, or ten.

It does beg the observation that taking the bait (required keeping of the fourth commandment) establishes all ten as the “way” — and it’s only a matter of time before we see the picking and choosing from the 613.

Taste not, handle not…

If Paul is not your authority in these matters, then by all means, consume one another.

The ministry of death (the 10) is not the way, FYI. Remember the man who told Jesus he’d kept the commandments his whole life? He asked what ELSE he must do?

Narrow is the gate.

Jesus is the gate.