A Brave Move for Joel Osteen

I first picked this up from Bob Thiel’s site. I don’t agree much with Bob but we both generally agree that we disagree with most of  Joel Osteen’s theology but this is a brave and bold move on his part on telling his congregation about avoiding  pork and seaford according to the laws of Leviticus in the Old Testament.  Certain Messianic Jews, Seventh Day Adventists and some adherents of the Church of God (Seventh Day) among others have no problem with the message Joel gave. The rest of many other Christian denominations  love to start a fight. Joel might lose a few members but I am confident, he’ll gain more members of the church and more people listening to him. Certain (but by no means all and let me make that perfectly clear) former members of the WCG (now the GCI) will accuse Joel of being Galatianist, Armstrongist and leading people to bondage. They even make Republicans at a townhall meeting about health care look like the suave George Clooney. For the record, dispite Joel’s “theological issues”, I am certain that he does believe in the gospel of grace (well, at the end of his program, he gives the viewer of his program to receive Jesus Christ in their lives) meaning that it is not what you can do for God but what God (in the Person of Christ) done for you on Calvary. So what Joel is probably proposing here has nothing to do with “justification” but everything to do with “sanctification”.  Of course, some will still want to fight Joel Osteen, anyway. I just say, if one feels compelled to avoid pork and unclean seafoood, do it. If one is stoutly opposed to the idea, eat what you have before. Respect each other’s point of view and don’t be an manipulative idiot in demanding submission. I know what I just said is a tough thing for religious people while Christians are notoriously known for shooting their own wounded and wanting every other  Christian to see it their own ONE way, or else! I still long for what Jesus wished prior to his crucifixion was that he would love to His people one as He and His Father our one.  Well, here is the video clip, courtesy Youtube.com.


7 thoughts on “A Brave Move for Joel Osteen

  1. I do not trust Joel Osteen. Not at all. Not even the slightest little bit. To me, any pastor of a megachurch who is on TV and making a @#$@load of money has already sold out, and is by definition untrustworthy.

    Saying things like this doesn’t help. All it does is distract from the things that *should* be taught. But so does most of Christianity, anyway, so pfffft on him.

  2. I am suspicious of “prosperity preachers” and megachurches myself and you said above about trustworthiness makes sense to me, but if Joel Osteen is sincere about it, I don’t have a problem with it. My question is, will he be so bold and correcting OTHER doctrinal errors he may have if confronted?

  3. Who says it’s a doctrinal error in the first place? It’s only a doctrinal error if you think it is, because all doctrine is of man anyway. Anyone who thinks that he’s correcting a doctrinal error really has no idea what it’s all about anyway.

    1. I think the good Lord or the force or whatever has given people like me and you a brain to figure out, and I will include this: some kind of intuition that there is something errant in the prosperity gospel. Joel seems like a nice guy but there is just seems something a little off in what he says sometimes.

  4. I’ve been quite surprised at the sheer number of well known evangelists on Christian radio and television who have embraced some of the doctrines from the Armstrong and Adventist movements.

    Jack van Impe and David Jeremiah incorporate some of the Armstrong understanding of prophecy into their evangelistic efforts, and Benny Hinn and Perry Stone teach that there are blessings for keeping all of the Old Covenant holydays. And, what self-respecting evangelical group does not teach some form of tithing?

    One would hope that no other groups adopt the most miserable and unChristian tenets of Armstrongism, such as Spirit quenching totalitarian church government from the top down, child rearing methods which create adulthood problems in conceptualizing a loving relationship with Father God, considering people who have left the orgs as non-persons rather than considering them as prodigals and showing them God’s love, considering disaster victims to be “the dead” and leaving all help and relief to other “dead”, failing to recognize that our modern secular doctors have nothing to do with sorcery and are often used by God to assist in His healing, racial elitism implied by unprovable theories such as British Israelism, and many other nauseating manipulative doctrines!


  5. I agree with you that it is hoped and prayed for that these churches do not adapt the miserable and detestable aspects of the XCGs. In fact, I really think these churches are actually returning to the Hebraic roots of Christianity. I think it’s a beautiful thing and should be applauded. Anyone who wants to argue that Hebrew roots and Armstrongism are synonymous is missing something really big.

  6. I couldn’t agree more with your conclusion about Hebraic roots and Armstrongism! There is a vast difference in the way Messianic Jewish groups incorporate and apply the Old Testament precepts into their belief systems. More love, less fear, and freedom of conscience-related dissent is preserved. Judging from numerous reports, these groups have much to offer to those who might be looking for a solution to the Armstrong problem but who can’t quite go with mainstream Christianity.

    It’s interesting to hear what some such people as Dr. Perry Stone, Rabbi Kurt Schneider, and Rabbi Yekiel Eckstein have to say about prophecy, too. They quote Jesus as having said that He will not return until the Jewish people cry out for Him. So, there is an organized effort ongoing to educate mainstream Jews to the effect that Jesus was their messiah.

    In certain ways, we can almost see the whole thing coming together, but it’s certainly happening in a much different way than we were scared into believing.


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