Intelligent quote of the day

It just seems to me that Christians cannot be honest with one another, since there’s so much pressure on them to be perfect.

—James Pate on his blog saying “it is just my opinion” and a damn good one about jealousy and the Christian


11 thoughts on “Intelligent quote of the day

  1. James seems like such a good guy and it seems certain when he says “Christians”, the word is in “quotes”.

    People fail.

    God Redeems.

    It should be clear, though, that the expectation is that Christians worthy of the term are going to be honest with one another as they are with total strangers.

    While Jesus said, “Be you perfect”, it should not be construed as “pressure”. If a Christian is spirit led, righteous perspectives and actions should be natural because they have an imprint of the very Character of God.

    The carnal mind would not understand this and would perceive it to be terribly stressful to have to strive to even start to keep the Spirit of the Law of Jesus.

    Nevertheless, you don’t just trust everybody. Discretion is the order of the day, because there is a powerful Adversary who is a critic of everything good and decent — one who is condescending, defiant and shows no respect for honor and decency. Note his comments about Job and it should be clear where the Adversary is coming from.

    And the Adversary has many minions both in the spirit realm and in this world. Some of are disguised as former WCG members reformed to Christianity when they are only Pharisaical hypocrites, wolves in sheep’s clothing seeking whom they would devour.

    While it is true that God will finally provide deliverance, the journey is not always a pleasant one and the wise will avoid such foul psychopathic creatures. If they don’t, they will gain wisdom in short order the hard way.

  2. Thanks for the quote, Felix.

    Actually, I’m not sure if I’d put Christians in quotes. They may sincerely believe and try their best, but human nature is what it is. Even the best Christian, if he is truly honest with himself, will admit that he has some jealousy.

    I tried to qualify what I said with “it seems to me” and “in my opinion,” because I don’t want to say that every single Christian is like that. But I do feel it’s a big problem.

    And, ironically, you also see the opposite in evangelical circles: Christians beating themselves up in small groups to make themselves look good before fellow believers, who value humility.

  3. All we can do is walk our own “lonesome valley”, as in the old song about Jesus. Sometimes, I think that when one becomes associated with an organized group, that’s when our troubles begin. In an organized group, you have the guru or committee presenting and complicating an agenda. There are hosts of evaluators (your fellow members of the group), and many are tempted to put on a show, speak in certain ways, use words native to that group, or to work for the betterment of that group as opposed to simpy responding to the Holy Spirit in one’s life.

    Walking the lonesome valley means that one sees oneself first as devoted to Jesus Christ. One would hope that a church would be a collection of individuals who all see themselves in this manner, rather than thinking of themselves simply as members of some church, and attempting to bring self into conformity with the tenets of that church. Collectivism often brings into play a mob mentality with regard to fellow human beings who may not happen to conform. That’s what makes Christians seem evil or threatening to non-believers. Why would someone become Christian if they didn’t “feel the love”?

    You can tell by the different types of people with whom Jesus interacted that He loved all people. He made people feel the love. Not just the observant ones of His day. He was about healing sick and twisted souls, and making people whole again, and he socialized with crooked tax collectors, Samaritans who had been discriminated against by the Jews, the sick, the lost, in fact anyone in whose lives He knew He could make a profound difference. I can honestly see Him working with atheists today, who would probably relate very strongly as Jesus lambasted the hypocrites embedded in the power structures of many of today’s churches, and religious fools who simplistically deny the findings of science, and thereby make Christianity to appear ignorant.

    Whether we realize it or not, it all starts on an individual basis. All any of us can really do relates first to self, and the practices we institute in our own lives, the examples we set, and the love we share. Those are things which result from gifts. The gifts are not resident in or capable of being generated by church government, or group conformity. The real deal is not subject to fakery, and will never fall flat. Imposters can be a very poor advertisement for true Christianity.


  4. “And the Adversary has many minions both in the spirit realm and in this world. Some of are disguised…”

    I am really sorry that you feel some people in this world are “minions” of a “devil”, Douglas. The world we live in is not harshly black and white, divided into immovable partitions of absolutely good and absolutely evil. I am very sorry that you feel that it is. I wish you well, and I hope that you will find some peace.

  5. And the Adversary has many minions both in the spirit realm and in this world. Some of are disguised…

    I was speaking as a Christian. If Christians are to believe Jesus and / or the Apostle Paul and / or the Apostle Peter and / or the Apostle John, then they believe that the Adversary has many minions both in the spirit realm and in this world. Some of are disguised…

    I grew up in the Lutheran Church attending a Catholic School and attended a Protestant Community Church. They all believe the Adversary has many minions both in the spirit realm and in this world. Some of are disguised…

    Christians also believe that Christ gives them peace. Peace doesn’t come from an Adversary. It certainly does not come from the best wishes of someone who takes the side of Cain protesting that he abused his brother because his mother Eve was in a cult… full of disdain and contempt for those who would seek justice, particularly when the brother never did seem to mention anything about how sorry he was to have abused his brother — but was concerned about the publicity he was getting.

    I find the well wishing does not seem to move outside the realm of hypocrisy and suggests an agenda.

  6. Those who are not part of a “body ministry” certainly will certainly find themselves very much alone, whether or not they have the belief in “you and me, Lord”.

    That is certainly going to be the case of those for whom there has not been an intervention who went through the betrayal of the Radio / Worldwide / church of gods betrayal experience.

    The Apostle Paul did say not to neglect the gathering of ourselves together. But with whom?

    Those who elect to stay with the inbred Armstrongist legacy, whether WCG or xCoG, are going to be severely disappointed with the results because the problem is inherent in the culture: It was, after all, built by a false prophet, who certainly could not qualify to be a Christian, let alone a minister of Jesus Christ.

    Yes, there would certainly be trust issues. Unless, of course, God intervened and it was time… and the person were willing….

  7. In theory, at least.

    And we know how theories go, particularly things like table top fusion with common tap water.

  8. Laughing not to cry, I suppose.

    I’m using that quote in a new article I posted today at wwwcg (click on my name for the home page) — called “The Perfect Game.”

  9. That’s a really good article, Richard! The Greek in that verse literally says “you will be perfect,” but that is often a second person imperative (I think I’ve encountered it elsewhere in my reading of Greek. I know I asked my professor about it).

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